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Somehow should be entlebukher? (On motives of withdrawing F. Shvaytsera)

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Viki & K wrote:

It thought about this.

And I, too,)

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Question so and remained)
Many, incidentally, believe that this purely cosmetic moment, but I in this not am sure, quite even not am sure.
Vysvetlenie, violation of pigment. And pigment far not cosmetic pribabakh.

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Viki & K wrote:

The subject so and remained

This question requires 50 to answer, begin rationale and camping on D.
But one thing clear, that vysvetlenie this not the Hood. Incidentally Shvaytser ooooochen sought to find brown headband in the eyes of, not every expert this will do. But his comments after exhibition explained much, importantly that he observed pro a special control club for vyazkami such dogs, tracing descendants and after this to accept decision about renegotiation crossing.

And at all pro oslablenye disadvantages on any courses say. This not the Hood and should kontorlirovatsya

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ШАНТАЛЬ wrote:

but one thing clear, that vysvetlenie this not the Hood.

And, incidentally, have human is changing color iris, when he ill. Then can rebounds. And with age eyes become lighter.

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Like talked already - and as same breed, where color eye been paved be bright?
Means, the need black color of eye, in this case, applies only to entlebukheram?
But if pigmentation changes iridescent shell connected with pigmentation is applied wool, it and understandable: Color wool (respectively, and eye color) should be black! Health here not under than, this exterior, camping on E. Standard breed! Entlebucher should not same be with the copper tint, as the Irish setter, Oz, this already will not entlebukher (though, can, and very a healthy), so why same eyes have him must be green?
Ah purely my superficial reasoning http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gif

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NN wrote:

Sort of talked already - and as same breed, where color eye been paved be bright?

This not so simply, in two nutshell not going to explain to.
Ah if been, if dog Blue, then and eyes let.

Here is programs need cat - chinchilla, who knows this white cat with an awn on sword black.
Are there is no, this genetically black cat, respectively nose, encloses lips and eye must be black, themselves eyes must be green and not yellow.

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Flud in this topic removed administrator.

To discuss created new themes:

1. NHL (for what, duties and powers)
2. Discuss standard entlebukher Puppies,.

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Today was received the answer all an esteemed expert Propulsion F. Shvaytsera on the issue about color eye. Uploading of read more and the original of the text.

"Expensive lovers entlebukher zennenkhundov

So as you very interested those, that stems with breed, I wanted to would to answer you a bit much detail.

S beaches were among Entlebucher “- the most petty from our four Swiss breeds zennenkhundov.

The first description of breed entitled s beaches were among Entlebukherkhund “appeared in 1889 year. Until 1913 year appentsellery and entlebukher – zennenkhundy not razlichalis from each other. On the occasion exhibition dogs in Langentale in 1913 our large benefactor breed zennenkhundov, professor Khaymu were represented four dogs with the same tepid tails.
On the basis his a process server reports they were represented as the fourth breed zennenkhundov and carry in constituted herdbook of dogs (SHSB).

20 th August 1926 on initiative Dr. B. Koblera was founded Svycarsky Club Entlebucher Zennenkhundov, prodvigavshiy and vyraschivavshiy rocks.

However the first standard was prioritized only in 1927 year. With that date Club
Breed Entlebucher Zennenkhundov bears responsibility for standard breed and is asking goal little a view. FTsI favors his and bears responsibility for publication of the original standard on four languages federation.

Now to your issue:

what are the heavy consequences there are for further use dogs with bright, s beaches were among yellow “eyes, namely what dangers carries this lack of.

Question the actual, because have some there is opinion, that this purely aesthetic moment.

Standard breed is principal the foundation and Rw them parameters must be used every an expert - porodnikom. In as a goal little a view acts the case, when than is, the better.

Eyes from mobs until light-mobs in accordance with standard are “exclusionary along. ”
As rule can be hauntingly, that this profiling (eyes from mobs until light-mobs (eyes predatory birds) people devote more attention. Owing to this can be watch, that undesirable eyes (as would vytaraschennye, that even their color) include have dogs unwanted aggression, what currently never should be. In such moments expression of eye becomes an unfriendly. In this case and the entire pigmentation changes has defect.

The aim little a view are norms, Rw in our operationally standard FTsI # 47, which was published 28.11.2001.

Eye color should be from dark were brown until color of forest nut, expression of eye being, insa and an attentive, eyelids densely their hinterlands, and the brink age have black pigmentatsiyu.


Was would very, it is a pity if would despite all of this such a dog could would fall into breeding, so as in the rest of the you in recent years have achieved very much in plemennom intended for breeding.

In as an example have us color and Figure is entirely:

For these signs of also was assigned goal little a view, if can be compare, that was before and that we have today, then can be to talk about a large success.
Figure is entirely in accordance with standard has very a high composure trekhtsvetnosti (will await action) and symmetry.

In this place I wanted to would refer on my report about the exhibition in Moscow.

Hope, their answer I was able help you and remain with lets weirded

Friedrich Schweizer


The fragment from my the report about the exhibition 11 th September 2011 in Moscow.

Color eye was almost without exceptions it's only for brown until dark brown. In three cases eyes were too bright. In accordance with standard FCI eyes predatory birds, i.e. yellows eyes without impurity brown, are ” s beaches were among exclusion from a view “.

Nevertheless, as a eyes these three represented entlebukherov demonstrated minimum an admixture brown color of.

contaminated selection steam these-lover needs necessarily pay attention on the, to eye color have partner was would as least in range from brown until temnokorichnevogo."

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This the original of the

Liebe Entlebucher Sennenhund-Freunde

Da Sie sich sehr engagieren rund um die Rasse, m&#246 ;c hte ich Ihnen etwas aus-
f&#252 ;h rlicher antworten.

Der „Entlebucher“ ist die kleinste unserer vier Schweizer Sennenhunde Rassen.
Seine erste Beschreibung unter dem Namen „Entlebucherhund“ stammt aus dem
Jahr 1889. Bis im Jahre 1913 wurden der Appenzeller und der Entlebucher-Sennen-
hund nicht voneinander unterschieden. Im Jahre 1913 wurden anl&#228 ;s slich der
Hundeausstellung in Langenthal unserem grossen F&#246 ;r derer der Sennenhunderasse,
Prof. Heim vier Hunde mit Stummelrute vorgestellt.
Aufgrund seiner Richterberichte wurde sie als vierte Sennenhundrasse, vorgestellt
und in das Schweizerische Hundestammbuch (SHSB) eingetragen.

Am 20. August 1926 wurde auf Initiative von Dr. B. Kobler der Schweizerische Klub
f&#252 ;r Entlebucher Sennenhunde gegr&#252 ;n det, die Rasse gef&#246 ;r dert und rein gez&#252 ;c htet.

Der erste Standard wurde jedoch erst 1927 verfasst. Seit diesem Datum ist der
Entlebucher Sennenhunde Klub verantwortlich f&#252 ;r den Rassestandard und gibt
das Zuchtziel vor. Die FCI genehmigt ihn und ist verantwortlich f&#252 ;r die Publikation
des Original Standards in den vier Verbandssprachen.

Nun zu Ihrer Frage:

Welche schweren Folgen bestehen f&#252 ;r die weitere Verwendung bei einem Hund mit hellen, „gelben“ Augen, und zwar welche Gefahren dieser Defekt in sich tr&#228 ;g t.

Die Frage ist aktuell, weil bei mehreren die Auffassung existiert, dass es ein rein &#228 ;s thetisches Moment sei.

Grunds&#228 ;t zlich gilt der Rassestandard und diese Vorgaben m&#252 ;s sen von jedem
Zuchtrichter angewendet werden. Als Zuchtziel gilt in diesem Fall, je dunkler desto
besser.

Gelbe bis hellgelbe Augen gelten gem&#228 ;s s Standard als „ausschliessende Fehler“.
In der Regel kann man feststellen, dass Menschen diesem Merkmal (gelben bis
hellgelben Augen (Raubvogelaugen) mehr Beachtung schenken. In Folge dessen
kann das ungewollte Augen betrachten (anstarren bedingt durch die Farbe) bei
einem Hund eine unliebsame Aggression ausl&#246 ;s en, was in der heutigen Zeit niemals
sein darf. In solchen Momenten ist der Augenausdruck nicht mehr freundlich.
Die gesamte Pigmentierung weist in diesem Zusammenhang M&#228 ;n gel auf.

Das Zuchtziel ist die Vorgabe in unserem g&#252 ;l tigen FCI Standard Nr. 47, welcher
am 28.11.2001 publiziert wurde.

Die Augenfarbe muss dunkelbraun bis haselnussbraun sein, der Augenaus-
druck lebhaft, freundlich und aufmerksam, die Augenlider gut anliegend und
die Lidr&#228 ;n der schwarz pigmentiert.

Es w&#228 ;r e sehr schade, wenn trotz allem ein solcher Hund in die Zucht kommen
sollte, da Ihr in den letzten Jahren ansonsten z&#252 ;c hterisch sehr viel erreicht habt.

Als Beispiel haben wir die Farbe und die Zeichnung:

F&#252 ;r diese Merkmale wurde auch ein Zuchtziel vorgegeben, wenn man fr&#252 ;h er und
heute vergleicht kann man von einem grossen Erfolg sprechen. Die standard-
gem&#228 ;s se Zeichnung weist eine sehr hohe Ausgeglichenheit der Dreifarbigkeit und
Symmetrie auf.

An dieser Stelle m&#246 ;c hte ich gerne, auf meinen Bericht &#252 ;b er die Ausstellung in
Moskau hinweisen.

Ich hoffe Ihnen mit meiner Antwort gedient zu haben und verbleibe

mit freundlichen Gr&#252 ;s sen

Friedrich Schweizer


Ausschnitt aus meinem Ausstellungs-Bericht vom 11. September 2011 in Moskau.

Die Augenfarbe war fast ausnahmslos braun bis dunkelbraun. in drei
F&#228 ;l len waren sie zu hell. Als „Zuchtausschliessend“ gem&#228 ;s s FCI
Standard gelten Raubvogelaugen, das heisst, gelbe Augen ohne
Braunanteil.

Jedoch wiesen die vorerw&#228 ;h nten Augen dieser drei vorgestellten
Entlebucher noch minimal braun auf.

Bei diesen Hunden, muss unbedingt bei Paarungen beim Partner darauf
geachtet werden, dass die Augenfarbe mindestens braun bis
dunkelbraun ist.

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nelin wrote:

In this case and the entire pigmentation changes has defect

Ah as you and told - weakening of pigmentation.
Nellie, perhaps here thought many entlebukherovladeltsev: Just express, that for a sec, huge lasting gratitude Friedrich Shvaytseru for what always finds time on aid our club.

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Viki & K wrote:

Nelli, perhaps here thought many entlebukherovladeltsev: Just express, that for a sec, huge lasting gratitude Friedrich Shvaytseru for what always finds time on aid our club.

Olja, already wrote him!

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Thanks for Sharing (explanations of, German option not smiled, camping on K., not though, that almost was for German married, German almost not I have http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gifhttp://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gif

However, on my view, not quite "transparently" politely (or transferred) here is this paragraph:

nelin wrote:

Coven from mobs until light-mobs in accordance with standard are “exclusionary along. ”
As rule can be hauntingly, that this profiling (eyes from mobs until light-mobs (eyes predatory birds) people devote more attention. Owing to this can be watch, that undesirable eyes (as would vytaraschennye, that their even color) include have dogs unwanted aggression, what currently never should be. In such moments expression of eye becomes an unfriendly. In this case and the entire pigmentation changes has defect.

That pile in view under cliche "includes aggression"? Dog with so eye the priori tends to to aggression? Or the birth of with so color eye is launching complex mechanism build-up aggression?? Or simply appearance of aggressive dogs??
Ah truth, not quite understandable framers.

Last edited by NN (Nov 15 2011 21:59:41)

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NN wrote:

Illy simply appearance of aggressive dogs??

The bright eyes indeed visually cause unpleasant sensations. You look on such a dog and know not, that from it wait.
As example, I already wrote higher, that was in witnessing it the scene in ring:
Marketed at knock-down Bern with very bright eyes. Expert is coming to dog, and here same backs up, ago with question: "And she not bites?"

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nelin wrote:

Well, the Light eyes indeed visually cause unpleasant sensations.

Means, this all-??? only aesthetic question? And the problem health, psychics and other serious (except exterior) things not there is?

Truth very interestingly, times perishing raised subject - personally me not so concerns, have Toby eyes dark as just get the coals (though once judge, too, not In himself her teeth look, perhaps, cowardly was http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gif)

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Ah perhaps the Swiss not simply so standard wrote. And behavior and character is worth have them far not on latest place.

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Ah in my here clear written

nelin wrote:

was very this can be watch, that undesirable eyes (as would vytaraschennye, that even their color) include have dogs unwanted aggression, what currently never should be.

Apparently were some kind surveillance.

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Then'm laying down question so:
1. The bright eyes poorly because, that purely visuallycreate appearance of aggression, aggressive expression of eye?
Or
2. The bright eyes poorly because, that this is sign of aggressiveness have dogs?

The difference there is between 1 and 2? If 1, then this purely aesthetic moment.

Last edited by NN (Nov 15 2011 23:34:31)

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NN
Apparently this I not very clear'm stating http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gif
Answer everything same cliche:

NN wrote:

1. The bright eyes poorly because, that purely visually create appearance of aggression, aggressive expression of eye?

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Viki & K wrote:

Agreed, me, too, not likes, but around the should be obvious explanation.
Any chain must be. Not can be, that diskvalifiiruyuschiy vice stems only with estetitkoy. Something question are interested me seriously, so popytyus I get the ??? until essence.

Can! But for example goluboglazie in some cases stsepleno with deafness, and gene CFA Merle in gomozigotnom able poluletalen! Have entlebukhera matters only goluboglazie, so as gene CFA Merle have them is missing!

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I German well know, ever read any Poe closely the original of the, but, too, not right off the bat realized sense this slice:

In der Regel kann man feststellen, dass Menschen diesem Merkmal (gelben bis hellgelben Augen (Raubvogelaugen) mehr Beachtung schenken. In Folge dessen kann das ungewollte Augen betrachten (anstarren bedingt durch die Farbe) bei einem Hund eine unliebsame Aggression ausl&#246 ;s en, was in der heutigen Zeit niemals sein darf.

Broke a:
"As rule can be hauntingly, that this profiling (eyes from mobs until light-mobs (eyes predatory birds) people devote more attention. Owing to this can be watch, that when unwittingly you look dog in eyes (you look closely from-for their color of), then this causes have dogs unwanted aggression, what currently never should be. "

Simply further states:

In such moments expression of eye becomes an unfriendly. In this case and the entire pigmentation changes has defect.

And as something it is unclear is done - what the link between an unfriendly expression eye dogs and the weakening of the pigment. I so itself think, that here need to to read:
"In such moments expression of eye becomes an unfriendly. Also, have zheltoglazykh dogsand the entire pigmentation changes has defect. "
So?

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