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Somehow should be entlebukher? (On motives of withdrawing F. Shvaytsera)

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Mavra wrote:

that when unwittingly you look dog in eyes (you look closely from-for their color of), then this causes have dogs unwanted aggression, what currently never should be. "

T. E. You look closely dog in eyes (you're looking at are color), and dog this unnerving (precisely because, that its view) and expression of eye becomes aggressive, so that whether?

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Thank you, that reminded and raised again this subject. We launched their qualifying questions, and
Here is comments F. Shvaytsera, poluchenye us a month ago:

"Coven from light-mobs until mobs (eyes predatory birds) in accordance with
Standard are along, exclusionary dog from little
A view.

If eyes have dogs too light-yellows or yellows (the so-called
Eyes predatory birds), us, people this immediately catches in eyes from-for
Pronizyvayuschego glance dogs.

Light-yellows or yellows eyes (eyes predatory birds) act on us,
People, as magnet. If man is delayed mournfully on the eyes of dogs,
The this dog feels so, as if would it threatened..

This in turn can cause have this dogs unwanted
Aggression.

In further pet more not produces impression friendly, and
Seems threaten and dangerous "

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the original of the:

Hellgelbe bis gelbe Augen (Raubvogelaugen) gelten gem&#228 ;s s Standard als zuchtausschliessender Fehler“.

Hat ein Hund zu hellgelbe, oder gelbe Augen ( sogenannte Raubvogelaugen) f&#228 ;l lt das uns

Menschen sofort auf durch den stechenden Blick des Hundes.

Die hellgelben oder gelben Augen ( Raubvogelaugen ) wirken f&#252 ;r uns Menschen wie ein

Magnet.

Verweilt der Mensch mit dem Blick bei den Hundeaugen so f&#252 ;h lt sich dieser Hund als bedroht.

Das wiederum kann bei diesem Hund eine unliebsame Aggression ausl&#246 ;s en.

In der Folge wirkt das Tier nicht mehr freundlich sondern bedrohlich und gef&#228 ;h rlich.

Mit freundlichen Gr&#252 ;s sen

Friedrich Schweizer

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Thank you. Now pro the bright eyes absolutely understandable.

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location from letters from Shvaytsera:

"To conversation about light" mobs "the eyes of I grant my full its view:

In principle entlebukher zennenkhundy, which want use in plemennom intended for breeding, must in a large extent conform to standard breed FCI Nr. 47.

(Have minimum 145,000 assessment of "very well").

These dogs must be healthy and solid and should not have defects, payable exclusion from a view.

What demands to eyes in as a goal a view:

What should be eyes: quite small

What form of requires: small from the curve until mindalevidnykh

What eye color requires: from dark brown until color of forest nut

What expression of must have eyes: living, friendly, attentive

What should be the brink age: well Kotorska

What the brink age are required: black pigmentirovannye

In accordance with standard too the bright yellows in as a defects, payable eyes predatory birds

Exclusion from a view shell eyes and gays eyes



In accordance with our regulations on intervention equine breeding SKES

(Swiss Club Entlebucher Zennenkhundov):

Defects, ” exclusion from a view are:

With eye disease,

Pra (usually can atrophy of retina eye)

GL (glaucoma)

A midgut age

And its inverted age

About the consequences of:

Under using dogs with too bright, yellow eyes or eyes predatory birds can arise not only aesthetic the problem, but and violation of rules desired goal a view relatively SKES or FCI.

In the future defect pigmentation can have also consequences with various negative attendant-round phenomenon.

I think, your club should abandon having generalised seen abroad with such entlebukher zennenkhundami.

With friendly privetami,

Friedrich + Katharina Schweizer"

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NN wrote:

Mavra wrote (and):

That when unwittingly you look dog in eyes (you look closely from-for their color of), then this causes have dogs unwanted aggression, what currently never should be. "

T. E. You look closely dog in eyes (you're looking at are color), and dog this unnerving (precisely because, that its view) and expression of eye becomes aggressive, so that whether?

Yes, is obtained so. T. E. Yellows eyes stand out colored, judge is beginning to look in eyes dogs, and dog this not likes and she looks in the answer Judge "not on standard."

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Mavra wrote:

is obtained so. T. E. Yellows eyes stand out colored, judge is beginning to look in eyes dogs, and dog this not likes and she looks in the answer Judge "not on standard."

Judge looks in eyes dog (his Stole unusually enlightened color). Dog: "Ah that are you staring at, not saw that whether dogs with unusually-the beautiful a cellular color eye!" http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gif

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В любом случае высветление пигментации будь то шерсть, обводка глаз, губ, нос, в том числе и ГЛАЗ, не есть хорошо!!! собственно в стандарте об этом и речь http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/yes.gif
надо просто грамотно читать стандарт, иметь элементарные кинологические знания и желание "производить" хороших собак... и если собака со светлыми глазами (да даже и с темными) от помета к помету, от разных кобелей (или сук) дает осветленые глаза, то стоит ли такую собаку вязать и дальше? ведь если из поколения в поколение будет осветление пигмента, бог весть знает что будет цепляться или просыпаться в таких собаках...

так же очень большая тема по заломам хвоста...
для меня однозначно, залом=браку!!!

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ШАНТАЛЬ wrote:

так же очень большая тема по заломам хвоста...
для меня однозначно, залом=браку!!!

ШАНТАЛЬ - а расскажите еще, плиз,  что такое "залом хвоста" и почему он нежелателен в данном случае? Это именно его эксперты пытаются определить ощупывая хвост?  В чем он выражен? Уплотнение? Это чисто эстетический дефект или это проявление каких то серьезных проблем?

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NN wrote:

Justice looks in eyes dog (his Stole unusually enlightened color). Dog: "Ah that are you staring at, not saw that whether dogs with unusually-the beautiful a cellular color eye!"

http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/biggrin.gifIf on judges already yellows eyes "is magnetically" act, then when dog still and standard learningunder this. http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/wacko3.gifhttp://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/lol.gif

Alisa wrote:

Chantal - and tell still, pliz, that such "hall tail" and why he that effort in this case? This precisely his experts try to determine oschupyvaya tail? In than he expressed? Gasket? This purely aesthetic defect or this expression of any the serious problems?

Yes, me, too, interestingly. As I understood, have entlebukhov if a short tail, then should be smooth,? T. E. Zalomy on Tail have a very different cheese genetics, so goes vybrakovka?

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Mavra wrote:

How I understood, have entlebukhov if a short tail, then should be smooth,?

If a long, camping on E. Not kupirovannyy, then should be without zalomov.

Like as try to now sometimes kupirovaniem "hide" hall on Tail.

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So he a short the congenital or kupirovannyy? And kupirovannyy wasn can be? Or it is difficult distinguish from kutsika the inherent?

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Mavra wrote:

How I understood, have entlebukhov if a short tail, then should be smooth,? T. E. Zalomy on Tail have a very different cheese genetics, so goes vybrakovka?

On standard tail have entlebukhera can be long one direct or brief from birth. Before have many entlebukherov were congenital curvature tail and such tails kupirovalis (now in many countries Europe bedrock prohibited from). A short from birth tail, too, may be's lopsided. Hall can be different: Symphysis 2-'s or more vertebrae; iksrivlenie individual vertebrae; or when dorsal area are located relatively axis under angle (more often on late tail). Is considered, that dog with zalomom bears in itself poluletalnye genes, which strongly favor labor some downturns hereditary evils. So knitting two dogs with zalomom tail cannot be (the so same as and two kutsekhvostykh dogs), so as can be obtain progeny already with nepoluletalnym, and with unit that genome.
Ceychas trend in intended for breeding entlebukherov is faring to direct long one newly, and thus is happening gradual eradication an unwelcome with perspective viability marker.

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Alisa wrote:

Sort of as try to now sometimes kupirovaniem "hide" hall on Tail

I already in some topic wrote, that experiencedexpert without problems know the difference kupirovannyy tail from, uh, birth kutsego. On ukorochennom from birth Tail there is stockpile of skin (the so-called Bags a little sack). And have kupirovannogo tail this sacks of there is no, the latest vertebra progress has been slow during the famous skin.

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Nellie, thank you for little! http://smiles.dolf.ru/dolf_ru_993.gif
Modicum know now why this poorly.

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nelin
Yes, tails, and experts European ask question pro attitude in Russia to brief newly. On my view goes trend only to normal newly in the future. Ah essentially, when have any other Puppies, happens kutsiy tail, such bishop says to brakuetsya, and us not seems this strange. Here is and in bushikakh to this will come. Think breed of from this only wins.

Pea. Xi
Quietly and shOOOpotom, me like bushiki with short tails http://smayly.net.ru/gallery/kolobok/pictures/Magent5_1/pardon.gif

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ШАНТАЛЬ wrote:

quietly and shOOOpotom, me like bushiki with short tails

And me with "almost kalachikami")

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nelin wrote:

stiff, that dog with zalomom bears in itself poluletalnye genes, which strongly favor labor some downturns hereditary evils. So how to knit two dogs with zalomom tail cannot be (the so same as and two kutsekhvostykh dogs), so as can be obtain progeny already with nepoluletalnym, and with unit that genome.
Ceychas trend in intended for breeding entlebukherov is faring to direct long one newly, and thus is happening gradual eradication an unwelcome with perspective viability marker.

Thank you! Very interestingly!

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